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October 29, 2009

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Dan

Unfortunately, when reality does set in, and the proverbial jackboot is on their necks.....and ours. Us muffling "we told you so" as we gasp for air wont make a lick of difference nor make us feel any better.

Well, not enough to make a difference.

This is the price for idealism. Shoving truth and reality to the wayside because you don't like them.

Walt

The problem is not mixing races it is mixing cultures and sub-cultures. When one is born, no matter what race, he has no prejudice; cultural influence does that. When one immigrates to another culture they must, in order to secure harmony, adopt the tenants of culture of their new home or guarantee disharmony. The left asks the home culture to embrace the immigrant and their cultural manifestations now matter how incompatible. Based upon this lunacy we now have Sharia law gaining footholds in western cultures; does the same law of tolerance apply to its antithesis? I know the intentions of "tolerance" by much of the left is noble, although naive. So I ask now that you have created a paradox of values which way do you go. Will you be tolerant of a culture that, with vengeance, actively engages in intolerance?

Philip France

Dear Walt,

With all due respect, I beg to differ with your following assertion:

"I know the intentions of "tolerance" by much of the left is noble, although naive. "

Some of these intentions may appear "noble" but instead they are a very thin veneer that conceals a corrupted core of self-loathing.

As Dr. Michael Savage has said and written about and Selwyn Duke continues to exhibit with his articles and guest pieces, (modern) liberalism is a mental disorder.

yoyo

Sorry guys, this is where it all gets pretty damn foul, for the overt christians on this site the veneer is bloody thin. You dont remember the parable about the samaritan? How is this situatio any different to school bashings the world over? A young lad over here was bashed to death by strangers the other day, however the lad was Irish and the bashers were local. Secondly anyone who takes the Mail as a paper of record is a fool, they are a race baiting, piece of cage liner, who frequently have to apologise for their over mistakes while burying their more subtle mistakes behind the breasts of the page 3 slappers.

If leftists are naive for wanting people of other races to live together with mutual respect that is a wonderful thing, the world is no longer a place for fractures along family, village or relgious cult lines. Under your arguments Walt, Afghanistan is foolish for trying to unite the various cultural groups, by your arguments the Taliban is a good body for trying to ensure cultural purity, and by their version of their constitution, treating women like crap and marrying children to pay opium debts are protected activities.

One thing you guys do not acknowledge is that when you open all these cultural norms to the light people can compare and choose. "Hey I dont want to marry my cross eyed cousin", "hey I'd like a more thoughtful community". How is it a loss?

This incident that you race baiters are riding on, is a case of a poorly managed school, crappy policing, and disfunctional families, it is not primarily a case of race.

Walt

Philip,

I beg to differ, your begging to differ.

I know a lot of liberals. Most of them are simply simple. Many of their good intentions are sincere and from the heart; there in lies the problem...they think with their heart not head. This is entry level liberalism; a gateway drug if you will. I call this the "I'd like to buy the world a Coke phase."

The next step to cement the disorder into a liberal mind I call the Bohemian stage; a stage of expression, influence, and conditioning. In this stage the liberal apprentice is exposed to others and mentored perhaps in altruistic groups or at university. In this phase the plebe is taught that the thinking with the heart is an intellectual endeavor. All "intellectual" considerations are tied to emotional foundations. They disguise themselves as intellectuals with words like "self actualized" and such, but it all ties back to emotion and feeling. Acting on emotion rather than evidence is also defined as a cult.

Now, so far I have only covered the lovie dovie, positive emotional connection of the leftist; but they don't stop there. Although positive emotion is a powerful motivator, hate inspires and unites tenfold. A common enemy is the big uniter. I don't think any analogy is needed to express this phase. This is the mature leftist phase; the minions of a tyrant. Hitler used this tactic to a tee. He too tried to tie emotionalism to "intellect" under the veneer of science.

At any rate, I think most liberals are actually in the first phase, useful idiots. A good heart with a mind in atrophy.


Philip France

Mea culpa, Walt.

In my statement I failed to make the distinction between the benign "go-along-to-get-along" "liberals" from the dyed-in-the-wool fascists that call themselves "liberals" and "progressives".

Are you aware of the acronym LUGS that is pervasive on university campuses?

It stands for Lesbians Until Graduation. Normal young ladies are pretending to be lesbians so as not to be ostracized from campus cliques, activities and discussions.

How tolerant and inclusive.

openid.aol.com/Pfranzino

Dear yoyo,

“Sorry guys, this is where it all gets pretty damn foul, for the overt christians on this site the veneer is bloody thin. You dont remember the parable about the samaritan?”

How dare you? “(T)he veneer is bloody thin”. How would you know? You evidence a great deal of hypocrisy by suggesting scripture, since to you it has the same moral relevance as a Nancy Drew mystery.

“Secondly anyone who takes the Mail as a paper of record is a fool”.

What publication do YOU rely upon, I wonder. The National Enquirer perhaps?

“If leftists are naive for wanting people of other races to live together with mutual respect that is a wonderful thing,”

Not when you consider the sufferings that leftists have caused with their phony promises of man-made Utopia. Are you so obtuse that you cannot see the trail of blood and tears; of murder and misery caused by Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Pol Pot, Mugabe?

How about other issues? How do you explain the millions of children that die of malaria because of liberal protestations against DDT?

How about enriching Arab sheiks with petro dollars while they fund Wahabbist Madrassas that teach young men to fly planes into buildings and how to strap on a suicide vest because “liberals” protest to drilling for oil on our homeland, for railing against the usage of natural gas and clean coal and, heaven forbid, nuclear energy? Why don’t you all please take your road that is paved with your good intentions and follow it to the end.

And how about the leftists forms of protest? Interrupting church services with vile gestures and intimidation. Blowing up and destroying construction equipment. Planting bombs in police stations, The Pentagon and a judges home. Intimidating voters with police batons. Yes, you leftists are sooooooo tolerant. So inclusive.

“Under your arguments Walt, Afghanistan is foolish for trying to unite the various cultural groups, by your arguments the Taliban is a good body for trying to ensure cultural purity, and by their version of their constitution, treating women like crap and marrying children to pay opium debts are protected activities.”

How on EARTH do you draw this distinction? Medical marijuana?

“This incident that you race baiters are riding on”

As is typical of the vacuous mind of the modern liberal, you resort like a four-year old to name-calling. Race division is the signature of leftists. It is a Stalinist tactic and it works because empty minds like yours do not seek Truth. Here in the U.S., emancipation and civil rights were the causes borne by evangelical Christians. The movement was hijacked in the 1960’s and turned into a cottage industry through white “liberal” guilt and REAL race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

In your postings here, you demonstrate clearly that you accept things as they seem, rather than how they are and find contentment in being so deceived.

Dan

I cant believe that you are still here. You are aware that nobody here has any respect for anything you say. Right?

For the love of God. Do us all a favor (including yourself) and just go away and stop drinking the kool-aid. You obviously have little to zero reason to be even on this site because you disagree with and attack Selwyn and the posters on a consistent basis. So why are you even here? Go to youtube and troll videos with your vitriol and hate and leave us alone if you aren't going to have an actual, rational, polite discussion.

W.A. Burke

Yes…Yes! We all must be one; one and the same, if we are going to be united as Americans in this country. We must accept the supremacy of our Angelo Saxon heritage and Christian values. If we allow any immigration at all from now, on the immigrant population must conform or leave. Or, we don’t need them; we don’t want them. They must assimilate or go.

That is not too much to ask. Speak English, respect our traditions, our cultural norms, the values that made America great or be swept away by the storm.

The day has past for Americans apologize to the world for being Americans. The day has past that Americans will tolerate the subversive influence that those who wish to remain separate have on our society. The day has past that America will allow heathens, drug addicts, queers and communists to steal our legacy.

This is the United States of America not some third world mud hole. These immigrants can choose to love America by being Americans or they can get the hell out, before we put them out.

God Bless America!

yoyo

"How about enriching Arab sheiks with petro dollars while they fund Wahabbist Madrassas that teach young men to fly planes into buildings and how to strap on a suicide vest because “liberals” protest to drilling for oil on our homeland, for railing against the usage of natural gas and clean coal and, heaven forbid, nuclear energy? Why don’t you all please take your road that is paved with your good intentions and follow it to the end."

Sorry it was your guy, that supported saudi arabia, and I have no problem with nuclear technology so stop spouting red herrings.

We are talking about this site's INTERPRETATION of this article balaming the awful attack on a young man on the fact that people from other races shouldn't mix. You are the people that try an use scripture to support ostensively rascist conclusions, I'm just returning the favour.

It is just silly the way you say "all libruls are ........." (insert strawman of your choice). Your country, like mine, was founded on immigration. You may not like it now that your ancestors have set you up nicely, but it is the height of hypocracy to take an issue like this and try and spin it to mean something it's not.

My argument that none of you has addressed, is that brutal attacks and bullying happen everywhere, they are not restricted to particular ethnic groups, and the real morons in this particular situation appear to be the attackers AND the headmaster.

Matt

Such irony. You whine about interpretation, then assert that we are all saying "races shouldn't mix" No, you imbecile. Races should indeed mix. What you and other liberals suggest is for races to NOT mix.

And. /yawn at the "my country was founded on immigration" No DUH. Not one single person is against immigration. But you know what, those people immigrated and became AMERICANS. We were called "the melting pot" for a reason. People came with their cultures, and traditions and we became ONE. Hyphenated America didn't start till much later.

You know, people don't HAVE to immigrate somewhere. If they want to do things completely their way, they can stay right where they are. But when they start moving around want to live somewhere else are start saying "NO, we are going to do things my way and how dare you try to take away my culture!" Thats when things clash. And all we have to do is take a look at liberal Europe and we see what your liberal philosophy reaps.

There are parts of Britain...where the cops wont go. Theyd rather walk down the streets of Harlem, wearing a KKK uniform, screaming racial slurs from a bullhorn. There are parts where the law of the land isn't enforced...but sharia law is.

And I agree with Dan. Go away.

Frank

Seig Heil, Nazi TRASH.

Walt

I have got to pipe in. I don't want Yoyo to go away. She gives us all a glimpse into a liberal mind. If you look close her tactics of distraction are very typical, and her arguments are predictable. I think we can all learn from this. We have all seen the drive by liberal that once challenged resorts quickly to ad hominem but she is a bit different. Although the end game she seeks is pure evil I do not think she is; she is in the Bohemian stage of leftism. Soon she will see the truth behind her direction and need to make a choice. Will she stand for liberty or tyranny? Good or evil? The old saying goes, "If you are not a liberal by the time you are 18 you don't have a heart, if you are not conservative by the time you are 30 you don't have a brain."

Larry Rivera

yoyo,

Didn't I tell you? You will never convince these guys of anything. Never ever. Can't teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

Philip France

Larry Rivera's post is ridiculous.

Those that you disagree with, Larry, ARE convinced. We are convinced by Truth. What you should have said is that those who espouse conservative values and Godly morality will never believe the lies and deceit that are embraced by the Left.

I will up the ante and add that those of you on the Left are more fanatical about your ideology and that you are blinded by it from accepting reality.

Larry Rivera

Philip,

My point was that someone who gets his values directly from God is not going to be convinced by anyone or anything of something different. What’s going on in the Middle East should be evidence enough of that for you.

I’m not of course, but any impartial reader, would have to admit that yoyo was more than holding her own with you all. In fact, she was scoring points big time, resulting in those angry sentiments that were expressed to her.

She seems to have a lot to say and if you would just back off a little, not be so judgmental and listen, she could give you something to think about. I hope you haven’t run her off. At least she would discuss things with you.

I won’t, because I don’t see the point of it based on my original assessment of the nature of tying to change your mind. But, if you want to throw down and swap insults, I’m game. (You get a free one with that “ridiculous” characterization by the way.)

Philip France

Dear Larry,

I am not in favor of running off Yoyo. I firmly believe in one's right to free speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly. I just believe that on most issues she is wrong. Many of her conclusions are incoherent and she is swift to devolve into insult.

You are wrong about my unwillingness to change my mind. I already have. You see, when I was a young man I was a "liberal" too and believed in many of the things that yoyo has expressed. In my first Presidential election, I voted for Jimmy Carter over Ronald Reagan. Small wonder, since I got my socio-political news and editorial from Rolling Stone Magazine.

Then something happened: I grew up. I began studying issues in more depth and compared what has been historically successful with that which has not been. This isn't easy for the most obvious avenues of information and the ones that are most manifest are decidedly biased to the Left.

Regardless of philosophical and ideological differences, I still understand that yoyo (and you, for that matter) are my fellow human beings that the Almighty God so cherishes that He gave His only begotten son to be a human sacrifice for.

I will conclude this post with the prophetic words of one that we both likely admire; those of Bob Marley: "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery."

-Jeffrey Bablitz

There would be no basis for ill feeling toward foreign nationals, if every country accepted the responsibility to pay for their own citizens' welfare, education, criminal liabilities, etc. National sovereignty is important, and it carries with it corresponding responsibilities:

These principles should be part of all political party platforms in this nation—go to your party convention with three copies and submit them for acceptance.

It is the responsibility of every nation to provide for the health, education and criminal costs incurred by their citizens while their citizens are in a foreign country. Because of the diversity of means by which the needs of citizens are provided for through out the world, often ranging from high taxation for many benefits to no taxation for no benefits, and because a country's citizen's first and primary recourse for the proper and customary administration of defined rights, responsibilities and entitlements is to his own country's policies and resources, whenever a citizen is "abroad" the host nation shall have the ability to charge a visiting citizen's home country for expenses which the host nation has incurred to its own citizens due to the needs of the visiting citizen. Enforcement of these payments can be enacted through the issuance or denial of visas (Costs may also be reimbursed by "sponsoring" groups, insurance companies, or individuals.) A law/policy on this matter should also state that a child born to a foreign national while in the United States is granted dual citizenship, but that the responsibility for the "entitlement" costs of the child remain with the home country of the parents until the child turns 18 or becomes a citizen of one nation alone, which ever comes later. Nothing in this policy should ever prevent charitable organizations from providing care or services to whom ever they choose.
The a priori principle behind this thought is that every nation has the right to "raise up" citizens as it sees fit. But along with that right comes not only the glory of all the good her citizens create, but also the responsibility to provide for her citizen's needs and reimburse others for the costs and liabilities of her citizens. There are no rights without corresponding responsibilities.

Philip France

Jeffrey,

Will you please run for public office?

If you are planning to do so, please tell me how I may donate to your campaign.

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