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November 18, 2009

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Robert Berger

Most kids just go through the motions of saying the pledge of aliegance every day; they don't even think about what it means.
It's just a formality.
And who says that kids have to say it or else? Why shouldn't those who don't want to say it be allowed to abstain?
This kid is not a brat but one who can think for himself. The fact that he refused does not necessarily mean that he has evil,left-wing parents who are trying to make him anti-american. I don't know what his parents are like.
America is supposed to be a free nation.
Kids should not be forced to say the pledge. And what purpose does it serve anyway ? Does it make kids better citizens?
I doubt it. There's no real need for it anyway . It's about time our schools got rid of it.

Sondra in Arkansas

Here is how the Faulkner County, Library is using taxpayer money:

Subject: Consequences of Homophobia Movie Night and Discussion Dec. 3rd 6:30pm


The Faulkner County Library is proud to announce a Doc and Talk Movie night and discussion concerning the consequences of homophobia. The documentary to be screened is For the Bible Tells Me So. The screening of the film will be followed by a community discussion and presentation by Mary Lou Wallner of T.E.A.C.H. minsitries. This movie night and presentation will take place on Thursday, Dec. 3rd at 6:30pm. The films will start at 6:30 pm followed by the discussion. The community is welcome to participate in the discussion following the movie. There will be free popcorn and drinks! Help the library reduce and reuse by bringing your own bowl for popcorn!
The documentary, For the Bible Tells Me So asks, “Does God really condemn loving homosexual relationships? Is the chasm separating Christianity from gays and lesbians too wide to cross? Is the Bible an excuse to hate?
These questions and more are answered in this award-winning documentary, which brilliantly reconciles homosexuality and Biblical scripture – and reveals that religious anti-gay bias is based almost solely upon a misinterpretation of the Bible.
Through the experiences of five very normal, Christian, American families – including those of former House Majority Leader Richard Gephardt and Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson – we discover how people of faith handle the realization of having a gay child or family member. Offering healing, clarity and understanding to anyone caught in the crosshairs of scripture and sexual orientation, this landmark film “boldly takes on a loaded topic and examines it both intellectually and emotionally; the result may well leave you blinking away a few tears.” (Seattle Times). Honors for the documentary include a nomination for a grand jury prize at the Sundance Film Festival in 2007 and the audience award for best documentary at the Seattle Film Festival.
Mary Lou Wallner (also featured in the film) of T.E.A.C.H. ministries will host the community discussion. Mary Lou Wallner lost her lesbian Christian daughter to suicide in February of 1997. Being raised in a fundamentalist, legalistic church environment, Mary Lou was taught the untruth that homosexuality is a sin. Her journey from "tragedy to transformation" is nothing short of amazing. She and her husband, Bob, are strong allies for Gays, Lesbians, Bisexual and Transgender people. They have a sincere desire to see the church accept and welcome GLBT people just the way God made them. The mission of T.E.A.C.H. ministries is To Educate About the Consequences of Homophobia through public speaking, brochures, workshops, videos, books, and any and all other appropriate means.

For more information on this event contact the Faulkner County Library at 501-327-7482. Refreshment donations are always needed for special events (2-liters of soda especially!) The event is free and open to the public.

------------- anyone care to translate this?

Philip France

Sondra,

This is an absolute disgrace. There is absolutley NO WAY in heaven or hell to reconcile homosexuality with The Bible.

The lies propounded by what you have pasted here is what is being inculcated into our children. Among these lies the biggest one and that is the suggestion that one is "born" homosexual ("the way God made them").

This is an OUTRAGE!

Now before Robert Berger sets down his bong to comment, I have personally delievered (well, God gets the glory for their deliverence) but I have ministered to homosexual human beings that changed their ways after seeing the Light of God's Word. There are dozens, if not hundreds of ministries that devote their lives to reconciling these lost and enslaved souls to Christ. This would be impossible if this was "the way God made them" just as much so as if, through prayer and outreach, one could turn a hippopotomus into an ostrich.

This is an affront to God, our Creator.

Great article Selwyn and yes, the boy is a "brat" and his father is derelict in his parental responsibility.

Dan

You know what you get when you get people who don't pledge their allegiance to the flag? (i.e. America) People like the fort hood shooter.

America IS a free nation. You are just thinking like the jews who just got released from Egypt. You think "free" means you get to do whatever the hell you want. Freedom isn't free and freedom comes with obligations.

Its also typical of people like you to just take the freedom you enjoy so much for granted. This goes right along with the types of people who like to burn the flag. They hate the country, which grants them freedom, but if a police officer came to show them some respect with his nightstick, they'd scream " YOU CANT DO THIS. ITS FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION". Hypocrisy.

This kid is ass backwards anyway. He should be pissy about his state, not his country. There is nothing in the US constitution that says anything about marriage. Marriage is a state issue, not a federal one. The future looks bleak, kids, and adults that behave like children, don't even know how this country that they supposedly don't like even works.

Robert Berger

By the way , I've never used marijuana or any other illegal drug, nor do I have the slightest desire to do so. Life is interesting enough without these things.
And I am not anti-american , don't hate this country or the military.
In fact, my late father was a career Army man in the Judge Advocate office, and I'm not the least bit ashamed of this.
Refusing to say the pledge does not necessarily mean that you are one of those stereotypical left-wing wacko extremists like Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and Ward Churchill.
This IS a free country and no one of any age should be forced to say a pledge of any kind.
And what homosexuals do in private is no one else's business. And please leave it to GOD and God alone to judge them. That's not for us to do.

Dan

If you aren't willing to pledge your allegiance to a country then you aren't even at the first step to being trustworthy of having the privilege to live here. Thatd be like refusing to promise to remain faithful to a person you were about to marry.

People like you will espouse day and night about how certain things wont harm someone else, so whats the harm in doing/not doing them. Well, whats the harm in asking someone to say the pledge? You say that them not saying it wont necessarily make them an anti American. But will making them say it damage them in some way? Between the 2 choices of "putting up a shield, that may or may not be effective" and "not putting up a shield because it might not be effective" The former is clearly the superior, by far, choice. Your line of thinking is a big reason why this country is falling apart and why we are so weak. Everyone, including you, take their freedoms for granted. If people hate this country so much, they could try living somewhere else and see how they like it there. I think givin the circumstances, saying the pledge is a VERY small thing to ask.

Oh, and it is not only Gods place to judge.

2 Timothy 3:16
2 Timothy 4:2
Titus 2:15
Ephesians 5:11
1 Corinthians 2:15-16
I John 4:1

You sound like an atheist to me who is just using the very old and very out of context line of "judge not lest ye be judged".

But ill reserve that unjust judgment.

yoyo

Dan, I'm sorry but you comment became a mash of word salad. I think you were trying to say that the pledge may do some good and probably wont do any harm so why not enforce it. That's a pretty poor reason for a pledge, a stronger argument would be that the pledge creates a feeling of fellowship amongst the speakers although that's somewhat contraversial. Hysterical Phil seems to think that questioning the pledge makes us all into psychopathic serial killers, which considering my generation were the last to get it and I haven't noticed a huge upswelling in anti patriotic killing in my juniors seems at least debatable.

re the be nice to homosexuals movie that phil has totally lost his coll about, the premise seems to be that it is a good thing to treat homosexuals as fellow human beings. WOW, call the fundie hit squads! Tolerance, non-violence, respect for other human beings! What would baby Jesus say? What ever Philip thinks the "gay" people around him have done in response to his obvious disgust with their desires and make up should be taken with a massive grain of biblical salt.

Philip France

Dear yoyo,

"Hysterical"? Me? You do not know me. If you did, you would know that I m a calm individual. I seldom raise my voice. My family and friends rely on me in times of turmoil and anguish and even emergencies.

One of these days you are going to grow up and accept reality. When you do, although I do not require it, the right thing to do would be to send me a message of thanks.

The abuse of the word "gay" is a lie. Tell me, is there anything "gay" about sodomy? Is there anything "gay" about the disgusting and improper usage of a part of the human anatomy whose muscular design is exquisitely designed to expel and to extrude excrement ss a means of pleasure and sexual gratification? How much more mentally ill or morally deviant can one get? And how shameful of you to don your varsity sweater and pom-poms to cheer this on?

Yoyo, you are stuck in amber. You are a slave to your ideology so badly that you cannot think logically and critically. You hve no factul nd logical substance to back your world view.

One last thing: I do not detest homosexuals. I detest, and correctly so, their depraved behavoir with regard to their mockery of human sexuality. I welcome any and every opportunity to free someone so enslaved and in such treacherous bondage to share the Light of God's love. Furthermore, I am 100% confidant that every post I have made at this site has been made without the slightest rise in blood pressure. So tke your "hysterical" adjective and do with it what the homosexuals that you "heart" so bleeds for would.

John

GREAT piece!

It is VERY sad to see what lazy parents are allowing their children to get away with. The truly frightening part is that one day his generation will be in charge.

May God have mercy on our souls!

W. Tieff

Hohoho! Happy Holidays! This kid is sooooo spunky! He wants to be a lawyer when he grows up. awwww how cute. Just a bit of advice, though. He might want to grow up a bit before lawyering up in front of national media cameras.
His argument is that pledging his allegiance to American ideals of "liberty and justice for all" would be in direct contradiction to the observational conclusions that he has drawn of our Nation's societal structure and culture.
That's nice.
But his observational conclusions are not exactly based in legal reality. If he really fancies himself a legal eagle, then he may want to stretch his mind out a bit and quit swallowing so much Kool-aid (although at his age, Kool-aid is perfectly acceptable lol)
1st of all, gays and lesbians are perfectly free to marry. No matter what state they live in. They are at liberty to enter into a contract of marriage with anyone they choose so long as it is with a single person of the opposite sex, and only one at a time!
2nd, he spouts that "racism" and "sexism" still exist. But he may want to read up on Title VII of the Civil Rights Act 1964, 1991..
If it's cultural racism or sexism that he has a beef with, then fine. But the Pledge of Allegiance is to the Flag, and the Republic for which it stands. It's not a pledge of allegience to me, or that guy on the corner, or the Cincinatti Bengels. It's a pledge of allegiance to the REPUBLIC. so if he doesn't feel comfortable with the republic he lives in, then why should he feel comfortable with the Civil Rights legislation enacted into law by said government? hmmm? oh wait. That might be too much logic for a 10 year old to work through. Better to just go with those emotions for now.............. and get on t.v.

Philip France

Right on, W, Tieff! Welcome to the discussion!

vern

This kid is ten years old for cryin’ out loud! Who cares about his opinion on anything? Why is he on CNN doing a parody of one of the characters on that TV show about science nerds in the first place?

Remember that “Balloon Boy” scam some nitwit dad ran that shut down Denver International Airport not so long ago. I wonder if this is not much different. What does a ten year old know about homosexual issues, even if he is what he looks and sounds like?

Clearly, his father is not a man doing his job as a parent. You’d think the least he could do is go to Wal-Mart and get them both a collar shirt to wear on national TV. And, if he didn’t put junior up to this himself, he might want to think about getting the kid boxing lessons.

Overall, I don’t buy it. Things are rarely what they seem on the surface. This is too well packaged as a human interest story to be anything but another reason for those who do hate and revile homosexuals to laugh at any serious criticism of our country on those issues.

Robert Berger

All this garbage about "leading homosexuals out of their sin" through religious intimidation makes me sick.
If you are homosexual you are a homosexual,period. You cannot,and should not try to stop any one from being gay.
It's no more reprehensible than being left-handed. And I'm a southpaw, but heterosexual. You and other self-righteous Christians have absolutely no right to interfere with gay people and try to coerce them to be what they aren't.
And to call homosexuality a form of mental illness is just plain stupid. Thank heaven that it was taken off the official list of mental illnesses by psychologists and psychiatrists.
And don't call me a bigoted and intolerant of Christians. I'm not.
I have no problem with people being Christian. It's just the appalling agenda of some of them I and other liberals disapprove of.

vern

Robert,

If we are going to move forward as a nation, we have to recognize that fundamentalist Christians as a group are a potent political force. They are fixated principally on three sexually based issues – abortion, stem cell research and homosexuality. They have dug their heels in on all three and no matter what, are not about to budge. (Stem cell research will just be perfected in Europe.)

So give them that. It’s not perfect and it’s not right, but if there is not a concession the Christian block is going to stop any progressive measure that comes down the pike.

Give it to them. It will hurt some certainly. But, there can be ways to take the sting out of it. And giving them ground on those issues and allowing a harmless nativity scene or two on public grounds will take the wind out of their sails and let the ship of modernity pass their boat and leave them in the wake.

John

Vern, are you saying that the 'right' put these stupid people up to this to make the homosexual movement look bad? If so that's one of the stupidest theories to ever appear on this board.

John

Vern, you're another liberal who doesn't seem to know much. 'Fundamentalist' Christians are not a 'potent political force' because there are hardly any fundamentalist Christians. To be a fundamentalist you have to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible among other things. I think you meant 'evangelical' Christians.

Education never killed anybody, Vern.

vern

Dear John,
Shut up stupid. You're an idiot. I’ve read the small things you’ve written over the last several months and find that if you are not the stupidest man on earth, you’re closely related to him. You can take your distinction between evangelical and fundamental and put it where you do most of your thinking. You can also have the last word though; you pretentious, closed minded, dividing the world into liberal and conservative, imbecile. Don’t harp on to me about education. I have two masters’ degrees that I’ll put up against your certificate from truck driving school anytime. But, I won’t. You’re just not worth the time.

John

Vern, with the theory you offered about the boy being a shill for the right, you shouldn't talk about stupidity. It's too bad that your masters degrees in basket weaving don't help you to understand that words mean things. 'Fundamentalism' has a definition just like 'stupidity.' And thank you for defining the last word with your presence.

Juan

To John:
You really told that lib Vern off. What absolute brilliance! You devastated the guy. Hard to beat the “I know you are: But what am I argument?” Keep it up there, killer and God Bless.

Dan

Heres a tip for life vern. Nobody respects people who wave their degrees around like it gives them license to be a douche bag and that it makes them better and smarter than everyone else.

Infact, its a bunch of elitist douchebags, like you, who wave their degrees and ivy league educations around like they are infallible, that are a big reason why the USA is in so much trouble.

Educated =/= smart. Being able to regurgitate what a professor shoves down your throat doesn't make you smart, it makes you good at memorization. People like bawney fwank and obama are proof enough of this.

Larry Rivera

Dan - Guess you didn’t graduate then.

Larry Rivera

"Is there anything "gay" about the disgusting and improper usage of a part of the human anatomy whose muscular design is exquisitely designed to expel and to extrude excrement ss a means of pleasure and sexual gratification?" ---

Actually saying that is kind of gay, Philip.

Larry Rivera

Hey Juan, let's you and me declare this site Azlan and take it over.

W. Tieff

Hey Larry, I wish you and Juan the best of luck with that. I'm sure you'll do well, having all that extra time on your hands for arguing with people who still require their values to define their morals. Such quaint neanderthals, aren't they? Hoping to keep order in the face of chaos.... why don't you insult them some more, and call 'em names. That should do the trick. You'll definately convince all the passive, non-commenting readers to fall in with your line of thinking, and go against the thread.. Oh wait. You don't have a line of thinking. Just FEELING. And obviously this is just a sport for you, bouncing vitriol off of comments by conservatives. jeez, get a job. Vern might be able to help. He's got the bona fides for business, apparently..... haha

Larry Rivera

Well, thank you...Double U.

I can appreciate how hard it was for you to offer us some luck. I don’t think we’ll try very hard though. You know us lazy Mexicans.

Anyway, I’m not trying to convince any non-commenting reader of anything. I don’t expect there are that many visitors to this site in any case. Or else, your King Selwyn would be peddling some advertising on it; that is unless his main employer the JBS won’t let him.

I started this, thinking I’d backhand you a little. But, you didn’t give me much to work with. It was all so weak and trite; You know the business about “feeling.” It’s okay to feel something Double U. No one will think you’re queer; unless you are queer; the Log Cabin Republicans and all.

You mentioned something about getting “a job.” Yea, you too my man! I hear there are some greeter openings at Wal-Mart.

(There, was that a tiny, little bit better. Was that more what you were looking for Double U? Say something back with more bite. We’ll try again next time.)

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