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January 11, 2010

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Laura

I don't suppose liberals would have had a problem if a muslim came on TV suggesting that Tiger convert to muslim.

Laura

That should read: convert to islam.

Shaun

Well put Laura and great article Selwyn. As always, public support for christianity brings about very sharp criticism on the boob tube. Although I dont know much about Brit Hume (I definitely have a mistrust of almost any news anchor) I say hats off for showing a little courage.

Shaun

Robert Berger

Yes, Hume had the right to express his opinion.
It really doesn't matter that he suggested that Tiger convert to Christianity.
But Hume obviously doesn't know diddly squat about Buddhism,and it WAS rathger stupid and insensitive for him to say what he did.
What if Hume had been a Buddhist and urged Tiger to concert to Buddhism? Conservative Chrsitians all over would have had their panties in a bunch ! Look who's being hypocritical!
At least Buddhists aren't a bunch of self-righteous busybodies who are always trying to tell people that Buddhism is the only way.
When was the last time you heard the Dalai Lama thunder about non-buddhists being doomed to hellfire?

Sticks and Stones

Ok, I thought Tiger was a Moslem. Later today I may be able to take my foot out of my mouth.

I think the point Mr. Duke was trying to make is that the teachings of Christianity condemn extra-marital affairs.

Robert, as for conservative Christians being hypocritical and self-righteous, I disagree but acknowledge your right to say and believe such things. That used to be the American way.

I do caution you on painting with such a broad brush as it makes you appear unable to see the finer details. I would not label Christian extemists as conservative. Rather, that type are those who can talk the talk but are unable to walk the walk. Hence, they also use a broad brush against any who don't think or believe exactly as they do.

God bless and keep smiling.

Walt

"Look who's being hypocritical!
At least Buddhists aren't a bunch of self-righteous busybodies who are always trying to tell people that Buddhism is the only way."

Well Robert you got one over there. Let me use an analogy. If there were bear traps set all over the place and people just kept stepping in them over and over, and you had full knowledge of how to avoid those traps would you not share the news? Would you not share it with a vengeance??? This is what Christians do. We do not share the news of Christ for any reason other than we care for you and our country. That is not hypocrisy that is love. We know people like you will ridicule us and we do not enjoy that at all, yet we are not silent; our silence would be indifference to the fate of your soul and our nation. Please do not confuse pomp with zeal. The Universe is ruled by laws, although we have not discovered them all yet; without such order would be chaos. To think such complex order can be derived by random chance is lunacy; I think we can all agree on that. I know your deepest desire is to believe there is no truth and that all is gray, but that is impossible; you know that, and in such lays your torment. Would not your confusion and torment and confusion be the perfect doctrine for the Enemy of the One who creates order? Order is obvious and it is not concealed, but it can not be all things to all people, just as the laws of nature are fixed so are the laws of God.

DS Reif

"You see, playing the “I’m offended!” game is a lot easier than actually thinking."

Good one Mr. Duke.

yoyo

I think the little point you are disengenously missing, is that the so called advice "sin become a christian and it will all be forgiven" was made on a show that is at least nominally a show about politics, not the religion show. Secondly, I think the outroar would be deafening if the advice was to become a muslim or to become a secular humanist or even to become celibate. Thirdly the bear trap analogy is nonsensical, my take on your version..... a crazy person comes up to you on a sunny street and insists that you hop on one leg through the traffic singing yankee doodle or you will die, then a second crazy person of a different denominations says not hoping because then you will surely die you must crawl through the traffic. Then the person listening to both these guys gets torn apart as a cultural relatavist or killed in the traffic, take your pick.

Philip France

Selwyn Duke's statistics for this article:

Attempts/Completions: 44 for 44.
Completion yards: Incalcuale.
Yards after catch: To be determined, but likely inestimable.
Touchdowns/Interceptions: 25/0.
Passer rating: Fellas, we need a new formula.

Selwyn, I look so forward to 2010. Your writing has a renewed vigor and your authoratative expression is on high-voltage. Keep it coming!

PS Excellent retort, Walt.

Sticks and Stones

Buddhism does not offer forgiveness of sins and Christians aren't automatically made white as snow when they become a Christian. Mr. Hume offered Tiger Woods an outlet to repentence and forgiveness. Not saying Buddhism is bad, it just doesn't offer these gifts.

Yoyo's example of a bunch of crazies trying to give instructions in the proper procedure to cross a street, lacking even one sane person in the supposed 'sensical' analogy, hints strongly towards extreme bigotry against Christians. A typical response of someone who lacks knowledge of a subject they have chosen to talk about. It's the whole 'if you can't flatter them with..then baffle them with..' Experience has taught me such people are willfully and blissfully ignorant.

I could talk for some time of what it means to follow Christ, but until I see the tolerance that liberals are quick to spout as their supreme quality that makes them superior to conservatives, I'll refrain from doing so as it would only fall on deaf ears.

It's another great article, Selwyn, and I encourage you to continue writing.

Walt

Yoyo said, "Thirdly the bear trap analogy is nonsensical"

The analogy is one of the heart. Robert implied that Christians act as they do because they are pompous hypocrites. I contend it is zeal and love for their fellow man and country. Christians believe in a being that wishes to destroy man and his connection with God. Christians also believe connection with God is paradise and separation is torment. The proclamation of the gospel is none less than one man trying to help another man escape eternal torment, and expanding the Kingdom of Heaven here on earth by doing the will of God. The will of God as expressed in the Bible is to spread the word, save the soul. By doing so, Christians have fed the hungry, clothed the naked, nursed the sick, educated the ignorant and comforted the downtrodden. You may disagree with the existence of God and the Devil, that is up to you, but the intention of the Christian, whether you believe misguided or not is sincere. The left is rife with illogical altruism, yet you pronounce it holy. To remain consistent you must regard the efforts of a Christian holy.

yoyo

Walt I have no doubt at all that many if not most christians that try and convert others do so due to their belief that it is in the other persons best interest, that they are literally saving them. Unlike sticks and stones I do not attribute bad motives without evidence, however just because a person believes something does not make it true or even good. Hence the example of the crazy person. I do apologise if I offended, mind you we atheist have appalling motives attached to our lack of belief by belivers everyday, the laziest being non- belivers do so because they want to be immoral. My lack of belief has a simpler foundation, for me it is just too hard to close my eyes to the logical and physical and metaphysical and yes, to an extent moral, impossibilities involved in an interventionist supreme being or beings. I dont dislike people of faith, I have very close relationships with many (of many differing persuasions), I do have a problem with the anti female slant of many theologies and religious heirachies. However, that being said I dont mind what Hume said to Woods, I think it's a bit presumptuous, but it's no different than all the idiots telling Woods he needs therapy. If you are stupid enough to get major life direction advice from a figure on the television then you are truly living an unexamined and shallow life.

MeanGREEN

If Mr. Duke cared one Iota about his
readers he'd update his news section or take it down.

Bob C.

God bless you, Mr. Duke! Jousting with those who don't believe in Truth is fun indeed; it's even more invigorating than discussing passing weather systems! LOL Bob C. from Scranton

Philip France

I wish to commend yoyo for a sober and sincere post. There have been occasions whereby I have been intrigued by yoyo's thoughts and I consider her to be reasonably intelligent, albiet pitifully misinformed individual.

Dearest yoyo, I can find compassion and even empathy in your atheism. Please suffer me the benefit of my own wisdom and results of my many years of study.

Believers in God and of His Christ have endured despite the wicked intentions of his apostate enemy. That would be Satan. Satan is his name (derived from the Greek "Satanus". Devil is his job description. "Devil" is translated from the Greek word "Diabalos" from whence we have our English word "diabolical". Please bear with me.

Broken down, the word "diabalos" is derived from the combination of two terms: "dia" and "ballos". The Greek word "dia" has been transliterated into our English word "through", hence, the word "via". "Ballos" is the origin of our English word "ball" and means literally "to throw". Combined, the two terms literally mean "to throw through" and should best be understood as "to accuse". THIS, my precious, is what Satan has done for millennia. He has in many ways and cases succeeded in accusing God of his own perfidy.

Much of the weakness and ineffectiveness of the Judeo/Christian message can be attributed to the underestimation of Satan and his outrageous perfidy. Satan deserves credit for his successful campaign against God’s Truth but we ourselves deserve our measure of shame in that His Truth is plain to see (assuming that we have eyes that want to see and ears that want to hear).

I reach out my hand to you (not just yoyo, but every visitor at selwynduke.com) to share with you the fruits of my many years of analytical and critical study of the Word of Life. I personally promise you that your life and your daily habits will not change very much (unless you are blatantly evil or woefully perverted; in which case it is doubtful that you would be a repeated visitor to Selwyn’s website). Instead, you will find a bird’s-eye view of life and a profound understanding of the overwhelming beauty and elegance of our Creator’s design, intent and eternal plan and message.

Selwyn’s website is not a scriptural site, nor should it be. I will refrain from the many Biblical passages that I am able to cite to support what I have just said. If any among us are willing or curious please contact Selwyn to divulge your personal email to me (or mine to you) and I would be delighted to the share the indescribable joy that I bask in with the knowledge of my loving and merciful Creator and the work of His dear son, our living Lord and Savior.

C’mon in! The water’s beautiful…

Robert Berger

I meant to say that SOME Christians are pompous hypocrites and self-righteous busybodies. Certainly not all are.
My apologies if any one thought I was
trying to stereotype them.

Philip France

Dear Robert,

At some given point, all of us are hypocrites. None of us can of ourselves be righteous. Chapters five and six of the Epistle of Paul to the Romans goes into this in minute and reptitive detail. With a comprehensive understanding of these passages, we should all be "busybodies" in our eforts to proclaim the good news.

Given Selwyn's article, the ensuing blogstream and my previous post, read it in this very context. Let the words speak directly to you.

God bless you,

Philip

yoyo

Philp, I do appreciate your gracious offer, and I can see (albeit through an internet darkly) that your faith has given you strength and community/fellowship. I cannot offer you a theology because atheism isn't a religion despite what the fundie bigots claim. But I would offer you a glimpse into the things that give me a feeling of transcendence: the smell of a newborn child, the latest photos from the HD mars rover, the life story of Annes Franks protector, new green shoots following another hideous bushfire and boxing day, the most wondeful day of the year.

I could go on, but wont, we are a wonderous species in an amazing universe. Even this little tool that we are using to communicate, is a thing of beauty, for all the porn and ads and conspicacy theories it is also the strongest tool we have against dictators and to add to the sum of human knowledge.

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